so it's not asking too much for the obama administration just to come out and simply say, look, we're with japan, we're with south korea, this is not your territory, we're going to continue with the status quo. jenna: but if we both continue to disagree with each other, does it just -- the status quo remain? right now a thousand commercial flights go through that area every day including, of course, united states airlines, and the commercial airlines have been notifying china of going through this area because be they don't -- if they don't, i mean, this is a risk, very hypothetical, if they're viewed to be aggressive, then china could take action. >> sure. the problem here though, jenna, is both japan and south korea have told their airlines not to recognize this. so we are the ones who are giving in to the chinese, and we have a history of doing that. and that's the larger concern, is not just this situation here, but what does it say to israel and to others? i think what china's doing is they're looking at president obama's national security policies in egypt and in syria with and